| "graham haddow" |
07:41 |
26/11/2006 |
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| "windsor" |
07:16 |
26/11/2006 |
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Ian asked: Has anyone around studied solution focused tactics in politics?
Politicians seek power / money / status. Our present government is
destroying our Nation and has made much of 'solutions' but achieved none. In
ten years. Mixed NHS wards? 'We have 24 hours to save the NHS' they said - a
solution? Will the one person who elected them (AGAIN!!) kindly identify her
/ himself?
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| "Ian C. Smith" |
08:32 |
26/11/2006 |
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I meant politics in the broader sense, e.g. (to take a quick web definition) "social relations involving authority or power"
I have top work within a political framework, as do we all, and the agendas of those I work with often have more to do with self-interest / targets / financial gain than with patient care. I guess I am curious about SF ways to resolving situations where the parties having completely conflicting agendas - as a mediator Joe, I'm particularly curious about what you have to say here.
cheers
Ian
----- Original Message -----
From: graham haddow
To: Ian
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 7:41 PM
Subject: [members] Broader scope
That's maybe a personal view but it doesn't answer the question
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From: "windsor"
Reply-To: members@ukasfp.co.uk
To: "graham"
Subject: [members] Broader scope
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:16:39 -0000
Ian asked: Has anyone around studied solution focused tactics in politics?
Politicians seek power / money / status. Our present government is destroying our Nation and has made much of 'solutions' but achieved none. In ten years. Mixed NHS wards? 'We have 24 hours to save the NHS' they said - a solution? Will the one person who elected them (AGAIN!!) kindly identify her / himself?
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| "jane woollatt" |
08:26 |
26/11/2006 |
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ummm I noticed that - but hey I'm not sure if i want to see the question
answered - there are soooooo many possible wordy pitfulls -
Joe you have managed religion and politics in two posts.......Hi Graham
sorry you may be interested to expand politics and SF for me it is enough to
understand the subtilties of SF and mental health care at the
moment..........Although this weekend has been a bit of an up and down time
for me re this SF forum I have to say thank you and I have come out of it
the wiser and with greater personal understanding no pain no
gain............Ta Jane....
>From: "graham haddow"
>Reply-To: members@ukasfp.co.uk
>To: "Jane Woollatt"
>Subject: [members] Broader scope
>Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:41:42 +0000
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>That's maybe a personal view but it doesn't answer the question
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>From: "windsor"
>Reply-To: members@ukasfp.co.uk
>To: "graham"
>Subject: [members] Broader scope
>Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:16:39 -0000
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>Ian asked: Has anyone around studied solution focused tactics in politics?
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>Politicians seek power / money / status. Our present government is
>destroying our Nation and has made much of ?solutions? but achieved none.
>In ten years. Mixed NHS wards? ?We have 24 hours to save the NHS? they said
>? a solution? Will the one person who elected them (AGAIN!!) kindly
>identify her / himself?
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| "jane woollatt" |
09:55 |
26/11/2006 |
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I do take your point and had not wanted to appear rude in my response to Joe
and Graham..Jane.
>From: "Ian C. Smith"
>Reply-To: members@ukasfp.co.uk
>To: "Jane Woollatt"
>Subject: [members] Broader scope
>Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:32:29 -0000
>
>I meant politics in the broader sense, e.g. (to take a quick web
>definition) "social relations involving authority or power"
>
>I have top work within a political framework, as do we all, and the agendas
>of those I work with often have more to do with self-interest / targets /
>financial gain than with patient care. I guess I am curious about SF ways
>to resolving situations where the parties having completely conflicting
>agendas - as a mediator Joe, I'm particularly curious about what you have
>to say here.
>
>cheers
>
>Ian
>
>----- Original Message -----
> From: graham haddow
> To: Ian
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 7:41 PM
> Subject: [members] Broader scope
>
>
> That's maybe a personal view but it doesn't answer the question
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> From: "windsor"
> Reply-To: members@ukasfp.co.uk
> To: "graham"
> Subject: [members] Broader scope
> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:16:39 -0000
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>
> Ian asked: Has anyone around studied solution focused tactics in
>politics?
>
>
>
> Politicians seek power / money / status. Our present government is
>destroying our Nation and has made much of 'solutions' but achieved none.
>In ten years. Mixed NHS wards? 'We have 24 hours to save the NHS' they said
>- a solution? Will the one person who elected them (AGAIN!!) kindly
>identify her / himself?
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| "windsor" |
09:43 |
26/11/2006 |
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Hi Jane -
I have? Wow that was clever!!
Did you mind? Was that OK for you?
Religion is a reality and politics is a burden. We all need to grip on to
our best wishes. So tell me, dear person, for what do you wish? I love my
wife very dearly and wish her endless good health. Amongst other things. And
your wishes?
Cheers -
Joe
Joe you have managed religion and politics in two posts
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| "Martin Bohn" |
09:40 |
26/11/2006 |
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Isn't the notion of political SF a contradiction...politicians must
attempt in some way to be coercive or persuade their belief is best...
paramount whatever...whose best hope???
Martin
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From: windsor@power-base.co.uk
Date: Nov 26, 2006 21:28
To: "Martin"
Subj: [members] Broader scope
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Hi Graham –
OK, the answer is that politicians (ugh)
don’t seek a practical resolution to a problem. Any 5 minutes
watching
their performance in the House shows that they behave like stupid
children. So
there is no attempt to seek a rational and negotiated sensible
outcome. YADA
YADA YADA all the way. Stupid or what?
Having attempted debate with sundry
political parties (they never answer sensibly) I conclude that seeking
evidence
of a rational solution focused approach to politics / government and
etc is a
waste of time.
I trust that you will consider this a
balanced response?
Cheers chum –
Joe
That's maybe a personal view but it doesn't answer the
question
Ian asked: Has anyone around
studied solution focused tactics in politics?
Politicians seek power / money / status. Our present
government is destroying our Nation and has made much of
‘solutions’ but achieved none. In ten years. Mixed NHS
wards?
‘We have 24 hours to save the NHS’ they said – a
solution?
Will the one person who elected them (AGAIN!!) kindly identify her /
himself?
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| "windsor" |
09:28 |
26/11/2006 |
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Hi Graham -
OK, the answer is that politicians (ugh) don't seek a practical resolution
to a problem. Any 5 minutes watching their performance in the House shows
that they behave like stupid children. So there is no attempt to seek a
rational and negotiated sensible outcome. YADA YADA YADA all the way. Stupid
or what?
Having attempted debate with sundry political parties (they never answer
sensibly) I conclude that seeking evidence of a rational solution focused
approach to politics / government and etc is a waste of time.
I trust that you will consider this a balanced response?
Cheers chum -
Joe
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That's maybe a personal view but it doesn't answer the question
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Ian asked: Has anyone around studied solution focused tactics in politics?
Politicians seek power / money / status. Our present government is
destroying our Nation and has made much of 'solutions' but achieved none. In
ten years. Mixed NHS wards? 'We have 24 hours to save the NHS' they said - a
solution? Will the one person who elected them (AGAIN!!) kindly identify her
/ himself?
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| "graham haddow" |
10:20 |
26/11/2006 |
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| "jane woollatt" |
10:15 |
26/11/2006 |
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Hi Ian I would love to be able to help and don't want to add to your
frustrating I am not sure how to help though -- I'm not sure if I have
totally understood and at the risk of solution focusing you and I ain't
confident to do that in this space - there are better ( I know that they are
not we are all equal even me) people at it out there to do that (just an
excuse) I was thinking earlier that so far I good at asking questions but
not at answering but I do think that that is a sort of symptom of SF
questions and answers becasue if you stop and ask yourself the question you
have the best answer ....... Jane...
>From: "Ian C. Smith"
>Reply-To: members@ukasfp.co.uk
>To: "Jane Woollatt"
>Subject: [members] Broader scope
>Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:32:29 -0000
>
>I meant politics in the broader sense, e.g. (to take a quick web
>definition) "social relations involving authority or power"
>
>I have top work within a political framework, as do we all, and the agendas
>of those I work with often have more to do with self-interest / targets /
>financial gain than with patient care. I guess I am curious about SF ways
>to resolving situations where the parties having completely conflicting
>agendas - as a mediator Joe, I'm particularly curious about what you have
>to say here.
>
>cheers
>
>Ian
>
>----- Original Message -----
> From: graham haddow
> To: Ian
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 7:41 PM
> Subject: [members] Broader scope
>
>
> That's maybe a personal view but it doesn't answer the question
>
>
>
>
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> From: "windsor"
> Reply-To: members@ukasfp.co.uk
> To: "graham"
> Subject: [members] Broader scope
> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:16:39 -0000
>
>
> Ian asked: Has anyone around studied solution focused tactics in
>politics?
>
>
>
> Politicians seek power / money / status. Our present government is
>destroying our Nation and has made much of 'solutions' but achieved none.
>In ten years. Mixed NHS wards? 'We have 24 hours to save the NHS' they said
>- a solution? Will the one person who elected them (AGAIN!!) kindly
>identify her / himself?
>
>
>
>
>
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| "jane woollatt" |
10:07 |
26/11/2006 |
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Hi Joe for me this weekend started with cabbages and quories and has
ended with a request regarding my wishes........I was a wee bit anxious
about the possible landslide of responses to these next set of thoughts it
is a bit like skying this and I'm not sure i have the energy for the next
slope.........all is good - religion is a reality and politics a burden
although some may say it is the other way round ...... all the best
Jane :-)
>From: "windsor"
>Reply-To: members@ukasfp.co.uk
>To: "Jane Woollatt"
>Subject: [members] Broader scope
>Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:43:30 -0000
>
>Hi Jane -
>
>I have? Wow that was clever!!
>
>Did you mind? Was that OK for you?
>
>Religion is a reality and politics is a burden. We all need to grip on to
>our best wishes. So tell me, dear person, for what do you wish? I love my
>wife very dearly and wish her endless good health. Amongst other things.
>And
>your wishes?
>
>Cheers -
>
>Joe
>
>Joe you have managed religion and politics in two posts
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| "Ian C. Smith" |
09:51 |
26/11/2006 |
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Another true comment, but unfortunately it doesn't help so much in telling
me how to deal with the manay agendas at work in the system I'm in....
Ian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Bohn"
To: "Ian"
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:40 PM
Subject: [members] Broader scope
> Isn't the notion of political SF a contradiction...politicians must
> attempt in some way to be coercive or persuade their belief is best...
> paramount whatever...whose best hope???
> Martin
> ----Original Message----
> From: windsor@power-base.co.uk
> Date: Nov 26, 2006 21:28
> To: "Martin"
> Subj: [members] Broader scope
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> Hi Graham –
>
> OK, the answer is that politicians (ugh)
> don’t seek a practical resolution to a problem. Any 5 minutes
> watching
> their performance in the House shows that they behave like stupid
> children. So
> there is no attempt to seek a rational and negotiated sensible
> outcome. YADA
> YADA YADA all the way. Stupid or what?
>
> Having attempted debate with sundry
> political parties (they never answer sensibly) I conclude that seeking
> evidence
> of a rational solution focused approach to politics / government and
> etc is a
> waste of time.
>
> I trust that you will consider this a
> balanced response?
>
> Cheers chum –
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> That's maybe a personal view but it doesn't answer the
> question
>
>
>
>
> Ian asked: Has anyone around
> studied solution focused tactics in politics?
>
> Politicians seek power / money / status. Our present
> government is destroying our Nation and has made much of
> ‘solutions’ but achieved none. In ten years. Mixed NHS
> wards?
> ‘We have 24 hours to save the NHS’ they said – a
> solution?
> Will the one person who elected them (AGAIN!!) kindly identify her /
> himself?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| "Mark Allenby" |
11:07 |
26/11/2006 |
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Martin Seligman has studied optimism in relation to
politics. The candidate who uses the most optimism in
their speeches generally wins the election, at least
in head to head contests.
Mark
--- "Ian C. Smith" wrote:
> I meant politics in the broader sense, e.g. (to take
> a quick web definition) "social relations involving
> authority or power"
>
> I have top work within a political framework, as do
> we all, and the agendas of those I work with often
> have more to do with self-interest / targets /
> financial gain than with patient care. I guess I am
> curious about SF ways to resolving situations where
> the parties having completely conflicting agendas -
> as a mediator Joe, I'm particularly curious about
> what you have to say here.
>
> cheers
>
> Ian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: graham haddow
> To: Ian
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 7:41 PM
> Subject: [members] Broader scope
>
>
> That's maybe a personal view but it doesn't answer
> the question
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: "windsor"
> Reply-To: members@ukasfp.co.uk
> To: "graham"
> Subject: [members] Broader scope
> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:16:39 -0000
>
>
> Ian asked: Has anyone around studied solution
> focused tactics in politics?
>
>
>
> Politicians seek power / money / status. Our
> present government is destroying our Nation and has
> made much of 'solutions' but achieved none. In ten
> years. Mixed NHS wards? 'We have 24 hours to save
> the NHS' they said - a solution? Will the one person
> who elected them (AGAIN!!) kindly identify her /
> himself?
>
>
>
>
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