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| "Widdop, Irene" |
03:31 |
03/07/2007 |
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Daer all,
What do you say to someone who asks for CBT having read about it/ been
encouraged to ask for it/ been referred for it?
Irene
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| "craig osment" |
04:17 |
03/07/2007 |
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Dear Irene,
What makes them think that CBT would be useful?
If it was useful, how would they know? x10
Regards, Craig.
Widdop, Irene wrote:
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| "Paul Hanton" |
04:07 |
03/07/2007 |
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flippant answer...........refer them on.
serious answer, i would ask them how they would know (what they would
notice) if CBT was helping them, explain that I am not a CBT'er and see if
they noticed the same things when seeing me, unless they wanted to be
referred on, then go back to point 1.
That being said, there is some damn useful CBT stuff (no, no, don't
shoot).........I particularly like the NHS leaflets on OCD which are very
CBT based.
cheers
Paul H
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To: "Paul"
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
Daer all,
What do you say to someone who asks for CBT having read about it/ been
encouraged to ask for it/ been referred for it?
Irene
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| "Roger Rowlands" |
06:18 |
03/07/2007 |
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I integrate them both and believe they can actually compliment each other
well
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Sent: 03 July 2007 16:08
To: roger
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
flippant answer...........refer them on.
serious answer, i would ask them how they would know (what they would
notice) if CBT was helping them, explain that I am not a CBT'er and see if
they noticed the same things when seeing me, unless they wanted to be
referred on, then go back to point 1.
That being said, there is some damn useful CBT stuff (no, no, don't
shoot).........I particularly like the NHS leaflets on OCD which are very
CBT based.
cheers
Paul H
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From: "Widdop, Irene"
To: "Paul"
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
Daer all,
What do you say to someone who asks for CBT having read about it/ been
encouraged to ask for it/ been referred for it?
Irene
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| "Mark Allenby" |
07:17 |
03/07/2007 |
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This is not a flippant answer.
If someone has done their homework and wants CBT and
you are competent and skilled in providing it, then
provide it. If not, refer on.
A respectful attitude to therapy is to engage with
clients about their hopes and expectations, so they
can make informed choices.
If it is their informed choice to opt for CBT it is
our job to facilitate that.
However, we can talk to the about how SFT and other
forms of therapy can get results and if they decide
that SFT is for them, and your are competent and
skilled in providing it, then provide it.
Mark
--- "Widdop, Irene"
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> Daer all,
> What do you say to someone who asks for CBT having
> read about it/ been
> encouraged to ask for it/ been referred for it?
> Irene
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| "Guy Shennan" |
11:01 |
04/07/2007 |
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Hi Irene
If you can offer CBT offer it, if not, offer any help you can for them
to find some CBT?
Best wishes
Guy
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To: Guy Shennan
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
Daer all,
What do you say to someone who asks for CBT having read about it/ been
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Irene
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| "Widdop, Irene" |
01:56 |
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Thanks for the answers, it helps a lot to get answers as although I have
regular clinical supervision,( my team leader is a Clinical
Psychologist) it's useful to get opinions/views from such a huge diverse
group of SFBT'rs!
Irene
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Sent: 03 July 2007 19:17
To: Widdop, Irene
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
This is not a flippant answer.
If someone has done their homework and wants CBT and
you are competent and skilled in providing it, then
provide it. If not, refer on.
A respectful attitude to therapy is to engage with
clients about their hopes and expectations, so they
can make informed choices.
If it is their informed choice to opt for CBT it is
our job to facilitate that.
However, we can talk to the about how SFT and other
forms of therapy can get results and if they decide
that SFT is for them, and your are competent and
skilled in providing it, then provide it.
Mark
--- "Widdop, Irene"
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> Daer all,
> What do you say to someone who asks for CBT having
> read about it/ been
> encouraged to ask for it/ been referred for it?
> Irene
>
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Hi All
Following Irene's post, someone I was training today asked me if there are
any references she could look at comparing SFBT and CBT. Anyone know of any?
Regards
Mike Roarty
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Widdop, Irene
Sent: 04 July 2007 13:56
To: Mike
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
Thanks for the answers, it helps a lot to get answers as although I have
regular clinical supervision,( my team leader is a Clinical
Psychologist) it's useful to get opinions/views from such a huge diverse
group of SFBT'rs!
Irene
-----Original Message-----
From: members@ukasfp.co.uk [mailto:members@ukasfp.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mark
Allenby
Sent: 03 July 2007 19:17
To: Widdop, Irene
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
This is not a flippant answer.
If someone has done their homework and wants CBT and you are competent and
skilled in providing it, then provide it. If not, refer on.
A respectful attitude to therapy is to engage with clients about their hopes
and expectations, so they can make informed choices.
If it is their informed choice to opt for CBT it is our job to facilitate
that.
However, we can talk to the about how SFT and other forms of therapy can get
results and if they decide that SFT is for them, and your are competent and
skilled in providing it, then provide it.
Mark
--- "Widdop, Irene"
wrote:
> Daer all,
> What do you say to someone who asks for CBT having read about it/ been
> encouraged to ask for it/ been referred for it?
> Irene
>
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| "Evan George" |
10:24 |
04/07/2007 |
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Hi
Yes ther is a British paper authored by a clinician who compares his own outcomes using SFBT and CBT. He finds that the outcomes are pretty similar just that the SFBT is briefer.
Harvey or Guy would have the reference.
Best wishes
Evan
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Sent: Wed 7/4/2007 6:30 PM
To: Evan George
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
Hi All
Following Irene's post, someone I was training today asked me if there are
any references she could look at comparing SFBT and CBT. Anyone know of any?
Regards
Mike Roarty
-----Original Message-----
From: members@ukasfp.co.uk [mailto:members@ukasfp.co.uk] On Behalf Of
Widdop, Irene
Sent: 04 July 2007 13:56
To: Mike
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
Thanks for the answers, it helps a lot to get answers as although I have
regular clinical supervision,( my team leader is a Clinical
Psychologist) it's useful to get opinions/views from such a huge diverse
group of SFBT'rs!
Irene
-----Original Message-----
From: members@ukasfp.co.uk [mailto:members@ukasfp.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mark
Allenby
Sent: 03 July 2007 19:17
To: Widdop, Irene
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
This is not a flippant answer.
If someone has done their homework and wants CBT and you are competent and
skilled in providing it, then provide it. If not, refer on.
A respectful attitude to therapy is to engage with clients about their hopes
and expectations, so they can make informed choices.
If it is their informed choice to opt for CBT it is our job to facilitate
that.
However, we can talk to the about how SFT and other forms of therapy can get
results and if they decide that SFT is for them, and your are competent and
skilled in providing it, then provide it.
Mark
--- "Widdop, Irene"
wrote:
> Daer all,
> What do you say to someone who asks for CBT having read about it/ been
> encouraged to ask for it/ been referred for it?
> Irene
>
>
>
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| "macdonald" |
10:06 |
05/07/2007 |
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The paper is by Neil Rothwell in Clinical Psychology and Psychotherapy, last year I think (not at my home base). Let me know if you need the full reference. Evan has summed it up neatly anyway.
Best wishes,
Alasdair.
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From: "Evan George" EvanGeorge@brieftherapy.org.uk
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:24:23 +0100
To: "Alasdair" macdonald@solutionsdoc.co.uk
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
> Hi
> Yes ther is a British paper authored by a clinician who compares his own outcomes using SFBT and CBT. He finds that the outcomes are pretty similar just that the SFBT is briefer.
> Harvey or Guy would have the reference.
> Best wishes
> Evan
>
> Evan George
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> From: members@ukasfp.co.uk on behalf of mike@coach-ppp.co.uk
> Sent: Wed 7/4/2007 6:30 PM
> To: Evan George
> Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
>
>
>
> Hi All
>
> Following Irene's post, someone I was training today asked me if there are
> any references she could look at comparing SFBT and CBT. Anyone know of any?
>
> Regards
>
> Mike Roarty
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: members@ukasfp.co.uk [mailto:members@ukasfp.co.uk] On Behalf Of
> Widdop, Irene
> Sent: 04 July 2007 13:56
> To: Mike
> Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
>
> Thanks for the answers, it helps a lot to get answers as although I have
> regular clinical supervision,( my team leader is a Clinical
> Psychologist) it's useful to get opinions/views from such a huge diverse
> group of SFBT'rs!
> Irene
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: members@ukasfp.co.uk [mailto:members@ukasfp.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mark
> Allenby
> Sent: 03 July 2007 19:17
> To: Widdop, Irene
> Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
>
>
> This is not a flippant answer.
>
> If someone has done their homework and wants CBT and you are competent and
> skilled in providing it, then provide it. If not, refer on.
>
> A respectful attitude to therapy is to engage with clients about their hopes
> and expectations, so they can make informed choices.
>
> If it is their informed choice to opt for CBT it is our job to facilitate
> that.
>
> However, we can talk to the about how SFT and other forms of therapy can get
> results and if they decide that SFT is for them, and your are competent and
> skilled in providing it, then provide it.
>
> Mark
>
>
> --- "Widdop, Irene"
> wrote:
>
> > Daer all,
> > What do you say to someone who asks for CBT having read about it/ been
> > encouraged to ask for it/ been referred for it?
> > Irene
> >
> >
> >
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| "macdonald" |
10:04 |
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There are a number of relevant studies, including randomised trials, in the evaluation list on my website, and I know of some more which do not reach the same level of significance.
Best wishes,
Alasdair.
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From: mike@coach-ppp.co.uk
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:30:02 +0100
To: "Alasdair" macdonald@solutionsdoc.co.uk
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
> Hi All
>
> Following Irene's post, someone I was training today asked me if there are
> any references she could look at comparing SFBT and CBT. Anyone know of any?
>
> Regards
>
> Mike Roarty
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: members@ukasfp.co.uk [mailto:members@ukasfp.co.uk] On Behalf Of
> Widdop, Irene
> Sent: 04 July 2007 13:56
> To: Mike
> Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
>
> Thanks for the answers, it helps a lot to get answers as although I have
> regular clinical supervision,( my team leader is a Clinical
> Psychologist) it's useful to get opinions/views from such a huge diverse
> group of SFBT'rs!
> Irene
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: members@ukasfp.co.uk [mailto:members@ukasfp.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mark
> Allenby
> Sent: 03 July 2007 19:17
> To: Widdop, Irene
> Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
>
>
> This is not a flippant answer.
>
> If someone has done their homework and wants CBT and you are competent and
> skilled in providing it, then provide it. If not, refer on.
>
> A respectful attitude to therapy is to engage with clients about their hopes
> and expectations, so they can make informed choices.
>
> If it is their informed choice to opt for CBT it is our job to facilitate
> that.
>
> However, we can talk to the about how SFT and other forms of therapy can get
> results and if they decide that SFT is for them, and your are competent and
> skilled in providing it, then provide it.
>
> Mark
>
>
> --- "Widdop, Irene"
> wrote:
>
> > Daer all,
> > What do you say to someone who asks for CBT having read about it/ been
> > encouraged to ask for it/ been referred for it?
> > Irene
> >
> >
> >
>
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Sent: 04 July 2007 22:24
To: Mike
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
Hi
Yes ther is a British paper authored by a clinician who compares his own
outcomes using SFBT and CBT. He finds that the outcomes are pretty similar
just that the SFBT is briefer.
Harvey or Guy would have the reference.
Best wishes
Evan
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Sent: Wed 7/4/2007 6:30 PM
To: Evan George
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
Hi All
Following Irene's post, someone I was training today asked me if there are
any references she could look at comparing SFBT and CBT. Anyone know of any?
Regards
Mike Roarty
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From: members@ukasfp.co.uk [mailto:members@ukasfp.co.uk] On Behalf Of
Widdop, Irene
Sent: 04 July 2007 13:56
To: Mike
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
Thanks for the answers, it helps a lot to get answers as although I have
regular clinical supervision,( my team leader is a Clinical
Psychologist) it's useful to get opinions/views from such a huge diverse
group of SFBT'rs!
Irene
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From: members@ukasfp.co.uk [mailto:members@ukasfp.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mark
Allenby
Sent: 03 July 2007 19:17
To: Widdop, Irene
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
This is not a flippant answer.
If someone has done their homework and wants CBT and you are competent and
skilled in providing it, then provide it. If not, refer on.
A respectful attitude to therapy is to engage with clients about their hopes
and expectations, so they can make informed choices.
If it is their informed choice to opt for CBT it is our job to facilitate
that.
However, we can talk to the about how SFT and other forms of therapy can get
results and if they decide that SFT is for them, and your are competent and
skilled in providing it, then provide it.
Mark
--- "Widdop, Irene"
wrote:
> Daer all,
> What do you say to someone who asks for CBT having read about it/ been
> encouraged to ask for it/ been referred for it?
> Irene
>
>
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| "Harvey Ratner" |
11:05 |
05/07/2007 |
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Mike
The paper is "How Brief is Solution Focused Brief Therapy? A Comparative
Study" by Neil Rothwell, clinical psychologist at NHS Forth Valley. It
appeared in Clinical Psychology and Psychotherapy, 12, 402-405 in 2005.
Neil can be contacted at neil.rothwell@fvpc.scot.nhs.uk.
To quote from the summary: "The results indicated that SFBT clients
(n=41) were seen for 2 sessions on average compared to 5 for CBT
(n=119). This difference was accounted for by a higher proportion of the
SFBT group being seen for one session only, which is consistent with the
approach. A simple therapist-rated outcome scale showed no significant
difference between the two groups".
Obviously a very interesting piece of research. As Neil said to me, if
managers in the NHS would look at this, they might see the financial
savings potential for sft v. cbt!
I'm also interested in Neil's comment about single sessions. I find that
I do a lot of single sessions myself, although this depends on context -
for example, I think I see students more often when working in school.
Harvey
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From: members@ukasfp.co.uk [mailto:members@ukasfp.co.uk] On Behalf Of
mike@coach-ppp.co.uk
Sent: 04 July 2007 18:30
To: Harvey Ratner
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
Hi All
Following Irene's post, someone I was training today asked me if there
are
any references she could look at comparing SFBT and CBT. Anyone know of
any?
Regards
Mike Roarty
-----Original Message-----
From: members@ukasfp.co.uk [mailto:members@ukasfp.co.uk] On Behalf Of
Widdop, Irene
Sent: 04 July 2007 13:56
To: Mike
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
Thanks for the answers, it helps a lot to get answers as although I have
regular clinical supervision,( my team leader is a Clinical
Psychologist) it's useful to get opinions/views from such a huge diverse
group of SFBT'rs!
Irene
-----Original Message-----
From: members@ukasfp.co.uk [mailto:members@ukasfp.co.uk] On Behalf Of
Mark
Allenby
Sent: 03 July 2007 19:17
To: Widdop, Irene
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
This is not a flippant answer.
If someone has done their homework and wants CBT and you are competent
and
skilled in providing it, then provide it. If not, refer on.
A respectful attitude to therapy is to engage with clients about their
hopes
and expectations, so they can make informed choices.
If it is their informed choice to opt for CBT it is our job to
facilitate
that.
However, we can talk to the about how SFT and other forms of therapy can
get
results and if they decide that SFT is for them, and your are competent
and
skilled in providing it, then provide it.
Mark
--- "Widdop, Irene"
wrote:
> Daer all,
> What do you say to someone who asks for CBT having read about it/ been
> encouraged to ask for it/ been referred for it?
> Irene
>
>
>
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| "Stephen Palmer" |
12:11 |
05/07/2007 |
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Hi
Sounds an interesting paper. Relapse rates would need to be included into
the number of sessions and/or therapy effectiveness equation as this impacts
upon the possible financial benefits to the NHS.
Best wishes
Stephen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harvey Ratner"
To: "Stephen"
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 11:05 AM
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
Mike
The paper is "How Brief is Solution Focused Brief Therapy? A Comparative
Study" by Neil Rothwell, clinical psychologist at NHS Forth Valley. It
appeared in Clinical Psychology and Psychotherapy, 12, 402-405 in 2005.
Neil can be contacted at neil.rothwell@fvpc.scot.nhs.uk.
To quote from the summary: "The results indicated that SFBT clients
(n=41) were seen for 2 sessions on average compared to 5 for CBT
(n=119). This difference was accounted for by a higher proportion of the
SFBT group being seen for one session only, which is consistent with the
approach. A simple therapist-rated outcome scale showed no significant
difference between the two groups".
Obviously a very interesting piece of research. As Neil said to me, if
managers in the NHS would look at this, they might see the financial
savings potential for sft v. cbt!
I'm also interested in Neil's comment about single sessions. I find that
I do a lot of single sessions myself, although this depends on context -
for example, I think I see students more often when working in school.
Harvey
-----Original Message-----
From: members@ukasfp.co.uk [mailto:members@ukasfp.co.uk] On Behalf Of
mike@coach-ppp.co.uk
Sent: 04 July 2007 18:30
To: Harvey Ratner
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
Hi All
Following Irene's post, someone I was training today asked me if there
are
any references she could look at comparing SFBT and CBT. Anyone know of
any?
Regards
Mike Roarty
-----Original Message-----
From: members@ukasfp.co.uk [mailto:members@ukasfp.co.uk] On Behalf Of
Widdop, Irene
Sent: 04 July 2007 13:56
To: Mike
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
Thanks for the answers, it helps a lot to get answers as although I have
regular clinical supervision,( my team leader is a Clinical
Psychologist) it's useful to get opinions/views from such a huge diverse
group of SFBT'rs!
Irene
-----Original Message-----
From: members@ukasfp.co.uk [mailto:members@ukasfp.co.uk] On Behalf Of
Mark
Allenby
Sent: 03 July 2007 19:17
To: Widdop, Irene
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
This is not a flippant answer.
If someone has done their homework and wants CBT and you are competent
and
skilled in providing it, then provide it. If not, refer on.
A respectful attitude to therapy is to engage with clients about their
hopes
and expectations, so they can make informed choices.
If it is their informed choice to opt for CBT it is our job to
facilitate
that.
However, we can talk to the about how SFT and other forms of therapy can
get
results and if they decide that SFT is for them, and your are competent
and
skilled in providing it, then provide it.
Mark
--- "Widdop, Irene"
wrote:
> Daer all,
> What do you say to someone who asks for CBT having read about it/ been
> encouraged to ask for it/ been referred for it?
> Irene
>
>
>
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Thanks Alisdair and Harvey
Regards
Mike Roarty
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From: members@ukasfp.co.uk [mailto:members@ukasfp.co.uk] On Behalf Of
macdonald
Sent: 05 July 2007 10:05
To: Mike
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
There are a number of relevant studies, including randomised trials, in the
evaluation list on my website, and I know of some more which do not reach
the same level of significance.
Best wishes,
Alasdair.
Revised webaddress:
www.solutionsdoc.co.uk
-----Original message-----
From: mike@coach-ppp.co.uk
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:30:02 +0100
To: "Alasdair" macdonald@solutionsdoc.co.uk
Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
> Hi All
>
> Following Irene's post, someone I was training today asked me if there
> are any references she could look at comparing SFBT and CBT. Anyone know
of any?
>
> Regards
>
> Mike Roarty
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: members@ukasfp.co.uk [mailto:members@ukasfp.co.uk] On Behalf Of
> Widdop, Irene
> Sent: 04 July 2007 13:56
> To: Mike
> Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
>
> Thanks for the answers, it helps a lot to get answers as although I
> have regular clinical supervision,( my team leader is a Clinical
> Psychologist) it's useful to get opinions/views from such a huge
> diverse group of SFBT'rs!
> Irene
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: members@ukasfp.co.uk [mailto:members@ukasfp.co.uk] On Behalf Of
> Mark Allenby
> Sent: 03 July 2007 19:17
> To: Widdop, Irene
> Subject: [members] Asking about CBT
>
>
> This is not a flippant answer.
>
> If someone has done their homework and wants CBT and you are competent
> and skilled in providing it, then provide it. If not, refer on.
>
> A respectful attitude to therapy is to engage with clients about their
> hopes and expectations, so they can make informed choices.
>
> If it is their informed choice to opt for CBT it is our job to
> facilitate that.
>
> However, we can talk to the about how SFT and other forms of therapy
> can get results and if they decide that SFT is for them, and your are
> competent and skilled in providing it, then provide it.
>
> Mark
>
>
> --- "Widdop, Irene"
> wrote:
>
> > Daer all,
> > What do you say to someone who asks for CBT having read about it/
> > been encouraged to ask for it/ been referred for it?
> > Irene
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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