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| "windsor" |
07:48 |
26/11/2006 |
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Does some music make you cry? It does me. Not the banging of dustbins and
shouting of stupid words that we hear today - but real music.
I watched Songs of Praise this evening - from Scotland to celebrate
St.Andrew's day. A Jazz based hymn for the young people to sing. A hymn set
to Jewish music. A feast - and, yes, I shed tears. I was a Chorister at the
Abbey of St.Albans. I played the drums in places as different as the
National Youth Orchestra and a seedy Jazz Club in a basement opposite the
Windmill Theatre in Soho. Yep - you're right - the first theatre in Britain
to show nude women on stage. Wow!!
The programme included a hymn based on Aaron Copland's Appalachian Spring.
Music and words from the American Shaker Community:
Simple Gifts
'Tis a gift to be simple, 'tis a gift to be free,
'Tis a gift to come down to where we ought to be.
And when we find ourselves in the place just right,
'Twill be in the valley of love and delight.
When true simplicity is gained,
To bow and to bend we won't be ashamed.
To turn, turn, will be our delight,
Till by turning and turning we come around right.
I thought that perception chimed well with us and the SF principle. I hope
you could hear the music in your mind as you read the words.
There are other mental / emotional themes that chime with our Clients. Music
if you wish. Or poetry. Or pictures. Or whatever you can find. Connecting
and reaching for emotional links strikes me as important. Any ideas?
Cheers -
Joe
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| "craig osment" |
10:53 |
26/11/2006 |
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Some great sounds have been made with dustbin lids! don't you know. how do you define 'real music' anyway, it sounds different for everyone doesn't it? different resonances for different people (same with solutions, I think)
So new music is rubbish and we were all better off under the tories? hmmm, you're painting with a very broad brush stroke tonight Joe!
----- Original Message -----
From: windsor
To: craig
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 7:48 PM
Subject: [members] Another thought
Does some music make you cry? It does me. Not the banging of dustbins and shouting of stupid words that we hear today - but real music.
I watched Songs of Praise this evening - from Scotland to celebrate St.Andrew's day. A Jazz based hymn for the young people to sing. A hymn set to Jewish music. A feast - and, yes, I shed tears. I was a Chorister at the Abbey of St.Albans. I played the drums in places as different as the National Youth Orchestra and a seedy Jazz Club in a basement opposite the Windmill Theatre in Soho. Yep - you're right - the first theatre in Britain to show nude women on stage. Wow!!
The programme included a hymn based on Aaron Copland's Appalachian Spring. Music and words from the American Shaker Community:
Simple Gifts
'Tis a gift to be simple, 'tis a gift to be free,
'Tis a gift to come down to where we ought to be.
And when we find ourselves in the place just right,
'Twill be in the valley of love and delight.
When true simplicity is gained,
To bow and to bend we won't be ashamed.
To turn, turn, will be our delight,
Till by turning and turning we come around right.
I thought that perception chimed well with us and the SF principle. I hope you could hear the music in your mind as you read the words.
There are other mental / emotional themes that chime with our Clients. Music if you wish. Or poetry. Or pictures. Or whatever you can find. Connecting and reaching for emotional links strikes me as important. Any ideas?
Cheers -
Joe
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| "Mark Allenby" |
11:05 |
26/11/2006 |
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Not quite in the same cultural league, but John Lennon
wrote the words, "there is no problem, only solution."
Mark
--- windsor wrote:
> Does some music make you cry? It does me. Not the
> banging of dustbins and
> shouting of stupid words that we hear today - but
> real music.
>
>
>
> I watched Songs of Praise this evening - from
> Scotland to celebrate
> St.Andrew's day. A Jazz based hymn for the young
> people to sing. A hymn set
> to Jewish music. A feast - and, yes, I shed tears. I
> was a Chorister at the
> Abbey of St.Albans. I played the drums in places as
> different as the
> National Youth Orchestra and a seedy Jazz Club in a
> basement opposite the
> Windmill Theatre in Soho. Yep - you're right - the
> first theatre in Britain
> to show nude women on stage. Wow!!
>
>
>
> The programme included a hymn based on Aaron
> Copland's Appalachian Spring.
> Music and words from the American Shaker Community:
>
>
>
>
> Simple Gifts
>
>
> 'Tis a gift to be simple, 'tis a gift to be free,
> 'Tis a gift to come down to where we ought to be.
> And when we find ourselves in the place just right,
> 'Twill be in the valley of love and delight.
>
>
> When true simplicity is gained,
> To bow and to bend we won't be ashamed.
> To turn, turn, will be our delight,
> Till by turning and turning we come around right.
>
>
>
> I thought that perception chimed well with us and
> the SF principle. I hope
> you could hear the music in your mind as you read
> the words.
>
>
>
> There are other mental / emotional themes that chime
> with our Clients. Music
> if you wish. Or poetry. Or pictures. Or whatever you
> can find. Connecting
> and reaching for emotional links strikes me as
> important. Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Cheers -
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
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| "Paul Hanton" |
11:04 |
26/11/2006 |
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Hi Craig,
having seen 'Stomp' several times, I tend to agree, lol
Be fair to Joe, he didn't say we were better off under the tories, just that this govt were not so good,
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: craig osment
To: Paul
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:53 PM
Subject: [members] Another thought
Some great sounds have been made with dustbin lids! don't you know. how do you define 'real music' anyway, it sounds different for everyone doesn't it? different resonances for different people (same with solutions, I think)
So new music is rubbish and we were all better off under the tories? hmmm, you're painting with a very broad brush stroke tonight Joe!
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| "craig osment" |
07:33 |
27/11/2006 |
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yeah ok sorry Joe, I think that's a fair point paul, anyway we really don't want this to turn into a forum on party politics do we?
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Hanton
To: craig
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 11:04 PM
Subject: [members] Another thought
Hi Craig,
having seen 'Stomp' several times, I tend to agree, lol
Be fair to Joe, he didn't say we were better off under the tories, just that this govt were not so good,
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: craig osment
To: Paul
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:53 PM
Subject: [members] Another thought
Some great sounds have been made with dustbin lids! don't you know. how do you define 'real music' anyway, it sounds different for everyone doesn't it? different resonances for different people (same with solutions, I think)
So new music is rubbish and we were all better off under the tories? hmmm, you're painting with a very broad brush stroke tonight Joe!
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| "craig osment" |
02:41 |
27/11/2006 |
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Hi Joe,
little bit before my time some of those references, i'm afraid! Always willing to learn about new stuff though, so thanks. i agree with your point about using music though, having trained as an arts therapist and having used music, Drama and art as therapy. actually I am just about to start a therapeutic group in school, using songwriting as a medium so I will keep you posted when it's showing some results.
Cheers, Craig.
----- Original Message -----
From: windsor
To: craig
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:27 PM
Subject: [members] Another thought
Hi Paul / Craig / others -
Thanks for the defence! And, please, NO PARTY POLITICS! Neither my wife nor I can find anyone for whom to vote. But as Ian said, some of us are faced with political issues all the time. Either the National sort or the devious little pillock sort. I'm lucky and bloody minded so plough my own furrow. (Oh and Ian - re the mediator reference I'm replying in private)
As to music I have very eclectic tastes. It is not valid that all 'modern' music is rubbish or that all 17th.century music was wonderful. But I'll match your dustbin lids. With a washboard.
You know what a washboard was? A corrugated metal sheet in a wooden frame - a bit smaller than 2ft by 3ft. Used to rub clothes on (with soap and water) when washing clothes in a tin bath of hot water - as one used to do pre-washing machines. Oh, and there was also a dolly. Small prize for the first SF person who can describe a dolly!!! Go on - ask Grandma!!
Anyway. Since you are music aficionados you will know what 'Skiffle' was. No? The UK equivalent of US 'Rockabilly'. (Think 'The Rock Island Line' - magic!! You have it on CD?) A then-modern music form (mid 1950's to 1960's) played with ordinary instruments (guitars etc) and others including a Washboard (played with a metal plectrum) Kazoos, and Tea Chest Bass's. And you well remember the top UK star of Skiffle - Lonnie Donegan (who died in 2002) He was with Chris Barber's Jazz Band (More CD's?) and left to make his name with Skiffle. Well a Washboard sounds much like a dustbin lid - but the music was far, far better in those days.
Phew!! More than you ever wanted to know about contemporary music (or lack of it)
Cheers - and keep listening. (Played any Scott Joplin lately? One of his pieces was the backing music to a super film called The Sting. See that, too)
Old Joe down here in Dorset (Where?)
OK - I know this is not Solution Focused. But it's fun for some and we're entitled to light relief whilst working hard for our Clients (Remember - cap C) Serving Clients well requires us to have a great breadth of understanding. You might make a strong link through music - or other arts as I suggested. The trick is that you need not know everything - just enough.
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yeah ok sorry Joe, I think that's a fair point paul, anyway we really don't want this to turn into a forum on party politics do we?
Hi Craig,
having seen 'Stomp' several times, I tend to agree, lol
Be fair to Joe, he didn't say we were better off under the tories, just that this govt were not so good,
Paul
Some great sounds have been made with dustbin lids! don't you know. how do you define 'real music' anyway, it sounds different for everyone doesn't it? different resonances for different people (same with solutions, I think) So new music is rubbish and we were all better off under the tories? hmmm, you're painting with a very broad brush stroke tonight Joe!
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| "windsor" |
02:27 |
27/11/2006 |
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Hi Paul / Craig / others -
Thanks for the defence! And, please, NO PARTY POLITICS! Neither my wife nor
I can find anyone for whom to vote. But as Ian said, some of us are faced
with political issues all the time. Either the National sort or the devious
little pillock sort. I'm lucky and bloody minded so plough my own furrow.
(Oh and Ian - re the mediator reference I'm replying in private)
As to music I have very eclectic tastes. It is not valid that all 'modern'
music is rubbish or that all 17th.century music was wonderful. But I'll
match your dustbin lids. With a washboard.
You know what a washboard was? A corrugated metal sheet in a wooden frame -
a bit smaller than 2ft by 3ft. Used to rub clothes on (with soap and water)
when washing clothes in a tin bath of hot water - as one used to do
pre-washing machines. Oh, and there was also a dolly. Small prize for the
first SF person who can describe a dolly!!! Go on - ask Grandma!!
Anyway. Since you are music aficionados you will know what 'Skiffle' was.
No? The UK equivalent of US 'Rockabilly'. (Think 'The Rock Island Line' -
magic!! You have it on CD?) A then-modern music form (mid 1950's to 1960's)
played with ordinary instruments (guitars etc) and others including a
Washboard (played with a metal plectrum) Kazoos, and Tea Chest Bass's. And
you well remember the top UK star of Skiffle - Lonnie Donegan (who died in
2002) He was with Chris Barber's Jazz Band (More CD's?) and left to make his
name with Skiffle. Well a Washboard sounds much like a dustbin lid - but the
music was far, far better in those days.
Phew!! More than you ever wanted to know about contemporary music (or lack
of it)
Cheers - and keep listening. (Played any Scott Joplin lately? One of his
pieces was the backing music to a super film called The Sting. See that,
too)
Old Joe down here in Dorset (Where?)
OK - I know this is not Solution Focused. But it's fun for some and we're
entitled to light relief whilst working hard for our Clients (Remember - cap
C) Serving Clients well requires us to have a great breadth of
understanding. You might make a strong link through music - or other arts as
I suggested. The trick is that you need not know everything - just enough.
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yeah ok sorry Joe, I think that's a fair point paul, anyway we really don't
want this to turn into a forum on party politics do we?
Hi Craig,
having seen 'Stomp' several times, I tend to agree, lol
Be fair to Joe, he didn't say we were better off under the tories, just that
this govt were not so good,
Paul
Some great sounds have been made with dustbin lids! don't you know. how do
you define 'real music' anyway, it sounds different for everyone doesn't it?
different resonances for different people (same with solutions, I think) So
new music is rubbish and we were all better off under the tories? hmmm,
you're painting with a very broad brush stroke tonight Joe!
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| "craig osment" |
03:31 |
27/11/2006 |
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Actually rock island line takes me back as it was one of the first songs I ever learnt on guitar! I just never knew where it came from, so thanks now I do.
Craig.
----- Original Message -----
From: windsor
To: craig
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 3:28 PM
Subject: [members] Another thought
Hi Craig -
Thought they would be. Never underestimate what the old codgers know / did. Played Rock Island Line yet? Or some Chris Barber? Or Scott Joplin? Go for it!
Thanks for what you shared - PLEASE keep me posted about your work - I have a passionate belief in the value of arts / emotion based inputs.
I don't work with young people as a therapist - but I do work with them in a different way. Please keep sharing your experience / insights. I could gain so much.
Cheers -
Joe
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Hi Joe,
little bit before my time some of those references, i'm afraid! Always willing to learn about new stuff though, so thanks. i agree with your point about using music though, having trained as an arts therapist and having used music, Drama and art as therapy. actually I am just about to start a therapeutic group in school, using songwriting as a medium so I will keep you posted when it's showing some results.
Cheers, Craig.
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| "windsor" |
03:28 |
27/11/2006 |
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Hi Craig -
Thought they would be. Never underestimate what the old codgers know / did.
Played Rock Island Line yet? Or some Chris Barber? Or Scott Joplin? Go for
it!
Thanks for what you shared - PLEASE keep me posted about your work - I have
a passionate belief in the value of arts / emotion based inputs.
I don't work with young people as a therapist - but I do work with them in a
different way. Please keep sharing your experience / insights. I could gain
so much.
Cheers -
Joe
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Hi Joe,
little bit before my time some of those references, i'm afraid! Always
willing to learn about new stuff though, so thanks. i agree with your point
about using music though, having trained as an arts therapist and having
used music, Drama and art as therapy. actually I am just about to start a
therapeutic group in school, using songwriting as a medium so I will keep
you posted when it's showing some results.
Cheers, Craig.
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